[Dragaera] gah my books are packed
J C
greyw01f at hotmail.com
Fri Apr 20 12:48:16 PDT 2007
Wasnt' there also a passage where one of the three sisters is trying to
explain something, possibly to Zerika regardin magic, but she gets a little
confused as to how to explain it to a mortal, and suggest that another
sister might explain it better, but she when shem akes the attempt runs into
similar difficulty and passes it onto Verra, who suggests the first sister
again?
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:55:25 +0000
From: "J C" <greyw01f at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Dragaera] Gah! My books are packed!
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I'm writing a short story and it has some overlapping with Steve's universe,
but only in the loosest sense.
As a result, could I ask some generous individual to donate the time it will
take to type up a brief description (indeed, it can only be brief, as we
know so little about them) of the qualities of the Sisters of Darkness, ie,
Verra, Moranthe, and Keurana?
Particularly, which aspect of magic the three sisters seem most in tune
with--despite the fact that Steve makes it clear as mud that those three
aspects can't really be taken without the others...
Anyway, I can't look it up myself as I'm moving soon, and my books are
packed :(
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:54:15 -0700
From: Jon Lincicum <lincicum at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Dragaera] Gah! My books are packed!
To: J C <greyw01f at hotmail.com>
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J C wrote:
> I'm writing a short story and it has some overlapping with Steve's
universe,
> but only in the loosest sense.
>
> As a result, could I ask some generous individual to donate the time it
will
> take to type up a brief description (indeed, it can only be brief, as we
> know so little about them) of the qualities of the Sisters of Darkness,
ie,
> Verra, Moranthe, and Keurana?
>
> Particularly, which aspect of magic the three sisters seem most in tune
> with--despite the fact that Steve makes it clear as mud that those three
> aspects can't really be taken without the others...
>
> Anyway, I can't look it up myself as I'm moving soon, and my books are
> packed :(
>
>
>
I believe the only substantive information we have on this particular
topic can be found in this short excerpt from the end of /The Lord of
Castle Black/
Viscount of Adrilankha, (from book 2 of Lord of Castle Black) Chapter
68, page 378-379 (paperback):
(Keurana, on why Kana previously attempted (and failed) to make a pact
with Moranthe, rather than with some other god)
[cite]
"...I am curious, what attribute, that is to say, which of the many
skills and talents that you posses, might he have wished for, that he
desired you of all of us?"
"Now that you ask, dearest of siblings, I begin to wonder myself. Most
of my worshipers are in the East. Indeed," she said, addressing herself
to Verra, "I was nearly hurt that you made a pact with that little
Dragon of yours, as he was raised in the East, and studied the Eastern
magical arts, which I am known to favor."
"Because, adored sister," said Verra, "I knew that he would go from the
Eastern arts to those of the Empire--" Here she nodded at Keurana.
"--and that he will, someday, pass beyond those to the oldest of the
magical arts, which are my province."
[end cite]
This exchange would appear to establish that Moranthe is the expert on
Eastern witchcraft, that Keurana is the expert on "modern" (i.e.
Orb-assisted) Imperial sorcery, and Verra is the expert on Elder Sorcery
(aka Pre-Empire sorcery).
It also alludes to the fact that the gods have many facets and
abilities, however, so while these abilities are the only ones we know
about that distinguish the Daughters of Darkness, there are, almost
certainly, many others that we don't know about.
Hope this helps!
Majikjon
On a side note: I notice that Elder Sorcery here is described as being
the "oldest of magical arts", which would imply that it is even older
than witchcraft... Which I find strange, given that according to Sethra
Lavode, in /Issola/, Easterners came to Dragaera first, long before the
Greater Sea of Amorphia was ever formed (making Elder Sorcery possible).
I would therefore expect witchcraft to be the oldest of the magical
arts--though I suppose it might be that the Easterners only developed it
later on.
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:18:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Philip Hart <philiph at slac.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: [Dragaera] Gah! My books are packed!
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Jon Lincicum wrote:
> On a side note: I notice that Elder Sorcery here is described as being
> the "oldest of magical arts", which would imply that it is even older
> than witchcraft... Which I find strange, given that according to Sethra
> Lavode, in /Issola/, Easterners came to Dragaera first, long before the
> Greater Sea of Amorphia was ever formed (making Elder Sorcery possible).
> I would therefore expect witchcraft to be the oldest of the magical
> arts--though I suppose it might be that the Easterners only developed it
> later on.
The _TRIH_ precedent might mean (roughly) Elder Sorcery was used to create
the universe. Also note that witchcraft can be turned off by a god so
I wonder if it does not come from the gods in some sense.
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:30:58 -0700
From: Jon Lincicum <lincicum at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Dragaera] Gah! My books are packed!
To: Philip Hart <philiph at slac.stanford.edu>
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Philip Hart wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Jon Lincicum wrote:
>
>
>> On a side note: I notice that Elder Sorcery here is described as being
>> the "oldest of magical arts", which would imply that it is even older
>> than witchcraft... Which I find strange, given that according to Sethra
>> Lavode, in /Issola/, Easterners came to Dragaera first, long before the
>> Greater Sea of Amorphia was ever formed (making Elder Sorcery possible).
>> I would therefore expect witchcraft to be the oldest of the magical
>> arts--though I suppose it might be that the Easterners only developed it
>> later on.
>>
>
>
> The _TRIH_ precedent might mean (roughly) Elder Sorcery was used to
create
> the universe. Also note that witchcraft can be turned off by a god so
> I wonder if it does not come from the gods in some sense.
Sethra, again, in /Issola/, claims that it was the Jenoine who gave
psionic abilities to the Easterners, through their experiments.
Since psionic power is fundamental to witchcraft, it would make sense
that it would not have existed amongst the Easterners until the J's arrival.
By the same logic, however, Dragaeran Sorcery would not have existed on
Dragaera until after the Jenoine were expelled, since it was consequent
with the creation of the Greater Sea.
But, as you seem to say, the gods may be referring to events and dating
the age of the magic from a time that pre-dates all of this--perhaps
back to the creation of the universe.
Majikjon
I find this concept remarkably similar to the Science-Fiction concept of
Vacuum Energy, which has been bandied about on shows such as Star Trek
and Stargate SG-1, by, I suspect, writers who don't really understand
what it means.
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