[Dragaera] Off-Topic Discussion: Occupy Wall Street

[Jeffrey Kiok]

I'm inclined to agree with Steve: seems to me the only "political" outcome
of OWS is that it'll be used for GOTV for Obama 2012.  Just like the Tea
Party isn't much more than a GOTV vehicle for Not-Romney 2012.


Like most protests of post-WW2, America, political elites aren't going to
do anything until they pereceive its in their interests to do so.  I don't
think the anti-Vietnam protests did a thing; I think we left because elites
realized it wasn't a war we could "win" the way we wanted to.  OWS and
other similarly peaceful protest movements are only effective inasmuch as
they can perhaps change the conversation, but if history has taught us
anything, it doesn't change policy.

-Jeff


On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Philip Hart <philiph at slac.stanford.edu>wrote:

>  The real idea behind the tea party is simple: we want a balanced budget
>> without increased taxes.
>>
>
> Like we had under Clinton - well, actually that was a surplus.  Which was
> a bad thing, per Greenspan et al.  And of course that was before two wars
> costing multiple trillions of dollars.
>
> Per wiki:
> In advance of a new edition of their book American Grace, David E.
> Campbell of Notre Dame and Robert D. Putnam of Harvard published in a The
> New York Times opinion the results of their research into political
> attitudes, finding that Tea Party supporters had been largely "highly
> partisan Republicans" (and not "nonpartisan political neophytes").
> Additionally, according to Campbell and Putnam, their rank and file is more
> concerned about "putting God in government" than it is with trying to
> shrink government.[96]
>
> A University of Washington poll of 1,695 registered voters in the state of
> Washington reported that 73% of Tea Party supporters disapprove of Obama's
> policy of engaging with Muslim countries, 88% approve of the controversial
> immigration law recently enacted in Arizona, 82% do not believe that gay
> and lesbian couples should have the legal right to marry, and that about
> 52% believed that "lesbians and gays have too much political power".[88][89]
>
> A New York Times/CBS News Poll during the election revealed that only a
> small percentage of Tea Party supporters considered global warming a
> serious problem, much less than the portion of the general public that does.
>
>
> health care law
>>
>
> The Heritage Foundation inspired, leading-Republican-candidate
> implemented, conservative-industries-**lobbyist written health insurance
> law.  Plus voluntary end-of-life counseling = "death panels".
>
>
> despite the way that the CBO analysis was gamed)
>>
>
> And Obama's birth certificate is a forgery.  Thanks a ton to whoever got
> us into this.  Well, it's easy to filter, so never mind.
>
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