[Dragaera] sad sf-related news

[Jay Smith]

Mark,

It isn't about offending or not offending.  I'm assuming you aren't an MD
(perhaps I'm assuming incorrectly though).  Furthermore, I assume you
aren't an oncologist.  I just don't understand why people instead of just
saying something like "Oh no that's terrible, my thoughts go out to him and
his loved ones" feel like injecting their healthcare wisdom into the
internets.

What you said places blame for the extent of the disease on the patient.
 The logic you use is the same logic that has people saying "Well she
shouldn't have been wearing that dress...".  Just don't do it. You will
always look bad, even if you don't always get called out on it.

Back on topic:  I'm shocked that this news came out.  I've only recently
started reading the Culture novels.  I'm especially shocked at how close to
home this hit, as I also made a widow out of my long time partner.  I wish
him all the best as his life winds down.

And if SKZB reads this, and wants to go ahead and send me a plot outline
for the resolution of the Vlad series, I'd love him forever.  Well, for a
few months anyway.  :)

Jay


On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Mark Landin <marklandin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jay I'm sincerely sorry that I offended you or anyone else. It was
> certainly not my intent.
>
>
> On Friday, April 5, 2013, Jay Smith wrote:
>
>> "Can't imagine cancer could be that developed
>> without symptoms early on."
>>
>> You know, I don't often contribute to this list, and I would have
>> preferred
>> you not contribute as well.  As a terminal cancer patient with months to
>> live myself I can tell you it doesn't always work this way.  I had zero
>> signs of the recurrence of my cancer.  I had been cancer free for 10
>> years.  In mid December 2011, I got a cold, a normal cold.  But I never
>> started feeling better.
>>
>> So I went to the hospital, and found the cancer that had been gone for 10
>> years now had massively invaded my lungs (I had full body scans in June of
>> 11 and there was nothing).  There were no symptoms.  I had a good life, I
>> was in decent shape, rode bikes all the time, did all sorts of crazy
>> things
>> and then bam... you've got cancer.
>>
>> It was treated both conventionally and experimentally until December of
>> 2012, at which point, the best option for me was Hospice care.
>>
>> I'm glad you think there is some kind of magical keeping on top of your
>> health health that lets you know when you have cancer in your internal
>> organs, but you are wrong, and you should shut up with the medical crap
>> you
>> likely no nothing about.
>>
>> Jay
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:20 PM, Opher Lubzens <flash119is at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > >That's depressing. I really like Banks' work. It's a reminder to
>> everyone
>> > >to keep on top if your health. Can't imagine cancer could be that
>> > developed
>> > >without symptoms early on.
>> >
>> > From his description the only symptom before the jaundice(which led to
>> the
>> > cancer discovery) was a sore back. As someone who works on a computer a
>> > lot, I can tell you sore back is almost always a matter of bad posture
>> > while working(i.e. muscles complaining), and a known professional risk,
>> > much like carpal tunnel. So it's understandable why he didn't even
>> bother
>> > to contact his physician about it.
>> >
>> > Opher Lubzens
>> >
>> > "I beat Sauron!" shouts Frodo. "I shouldn't have to fight a giant
>> monkey!"
>> > for more madness, enter Hitherby Dragons: http://rebecca.hitherby.com
>> >
>> > Come, join the mad scientists' chorus:)
>> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Israfilk
>> >
>> >
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>> > Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:30:28 -0700 (PDT)
>> > From: Philip Hart <philiph at slac.stanford.edu>
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>> http://www.iain-banks.net/2013/04/03/a-personal-statement-from-iain-banks/
>> >
>> > Banks's _The Crow Road_ is one of my favorite bildungsromane.
>> >
>> >
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>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:18:49 -0500
>> > From: Mark Landin <marklandin at gmail.com>
>> > To: Philip Hart <philiph at slac.stanford.edu>
>> > Cc: "dragaera at lists.dragaera.info" <dragaera at lists.dragaera.info>
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