[Dragaera] Dragaera Digest, Starman kiss

[Eugene Zaretskiy via Dragaera]

I have never read Starman Jones. (Should I?)

However, when I read this line in Yendi, I definitely laughed at the
reversal of the "kiss her if you play your cards right" cliche. It's
possible that the cliche exists because of Starman Jones. Even so, I "got"
it, never having read Jones, so by the same token it might not be an
intentional reference.

Pretty cool none-the-less.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:37 PM Calisto via Dragaera <
dragaera at lists.dragaera.info> wrote:

> OK I can understand your reasoning however I am not sure I agree.
>
> Anyone who has ever dated knows about the tension and inner turmoil, real
> or imagined, when you want to kiss the person but are unsure if it would be
> welcome.  In my opinion this is a part of the human experience in how we
> learn to interact with each other socially.
>
> It may not be a universal experience but I do believe it is common enough
> that the similarities could in fact be a coincidence.  There are many
> moments prior to a first kiss where one or the other is wondering "what
> would the other person do if I…”?
> A Kiss, especially a FIRST kiss is communication.  We are learning to
> communicate with each other and that is why I think more an once in a while
> it comes down to “if I did it right” or in other words “ If we have been
> saying what I think we have been saying” then “a kiss would be
> appropriate/welcomed” but until the first kiss is in the past we can’t KNOW
> if we are correct.
>
> Anyway, that is how I see it and to be clear I have no experience with
> “Starman Jones”.  With kissing I have a bit of experience but would never
> consider myself an expert on relationships!
>
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> > Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 19:20:42 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Jon Lincicum via Dragaera <dragaera at lists.dragaera.info>
> > To: Corwin Brust <corwin at bru.st>
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> >> Has to do with the first kiss.
> >
> >
> > Compare:
> >
> > Starman Jones, Chapter 12:
> >
> > "He thought for a moment that he could have kissed her, right then, if
> he had played his cards right. But the moment passed and they went inside."
> >
> > Yendi, Chapter 13:
> >
> > "If I had thrown my stones right, I could have kissed her then. So I
> did."
> >
> > It seems reasonable to me to conclude the similarity in phrasing here is
> more than just coincidental.
> >
> > Majikjon
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