[Dragaera] Dragaera Digest, Vol 145, Issue 2
Calisto
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Thu Aug 31 11:30:17 PDT 2023
If I recall, All Nosh-pa says is “ I like you.” Also he may have been surprised to see her again.
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> 1. Teldra meeting Noish-pa? (corey+scratchfactory.com)
> 2. Re: Teldra meeting Noish-pa? <MINOR TSALMOTH SPOILERS>
> (JON LINCICUM)
> 3. Re: Teldra meeting Noish-pa? <MINOR TSALMOTH SPOILERS>
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> 4. Re: Teldra meeting Noish-pa? (Scott Schultz)
> 5. Re: Teldra meeting Noish-pa? <MINOR TSALMOTH SPOILERS>
> (Howard Brazee)
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> From: "corey+scratchfactory.com" <corey at scratchfactory.com>
> To: dragaera at dragaera.info
> Subject: [Dragaera] Teldra meeting Noish-pa?
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> Something in Tsalmoth has me wondering about one of my favourite moments in Phoenix.
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> In Phoenix, Vlad brings Noish-pa to Castle Black and Teldra greets him in a way that makes it seem like they have never met before. But in Tsalmoth, we are told that they met during Vlad and Cawti?s wedding procession and in fact hit it off famously.
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> Thoughts? Is Teldra?s greeting in Phoenix just excessive formality (not that Teldra would ever be anything but ?exactly correct formal?)? Is there some secret misalignment here around Vlad?s disturbed memories? Is there any reason Vlad might be lying about either of these episodes?
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> Anyway I?m curious.
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> Corey
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>> On 08/28/2023 1:46 PM PDT corey+scratchfactory.com via Dragaera <dragaera at lists.dragaera.info> wrote:
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>> Something in Tsalmoth has me wondering about one of my favourite moments in Phoenix.
>>
>> In Phoenix, Vlad brings Noish-pa to Castle Black and Teldra greets him in a way that makes it seem like they have never met before. But in Tsalmoth, we are told that they met during Vlad and Cawti?s wedding procession and in fact hit it off famously.
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>> Thoughts? Is Teldra?s greeting in Phoenix just excessive formality (not that Teldra would ever be anything but ?exactly correct formal?)? Is there some secret misalignment here around Vlad?s disturbed memories? Is there any reason Vlad might be lying about either of these episodes?
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>> Anyway I?m curious.
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>> Corey
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> The encounter in /Phoenix/ is vague enough for there to be some wiggle-room, I'd say.
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> Teldra does not need to be introduced to Noish-Pa, so she knows who he is when he arrives. So it's still plausible she recognizes him from their earlier meeting. Her greeting does indicate that Noish-Pa has never visited Castle Black previously, but that does not necessarily imply that she hadn't ever met him.
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> Noish-Pa's reaction to her greeting does seem like he doesn't recognize Teldra... But that could be just that he doesn't immediately reconcile this gracious host in front of him in the courtyard at Castle Black with that one Dragaeran woman he met briefly, once, and years earlier in a very different context at his grandson's wedding--where he'd maybe had a bit more to drink than he normally would have?
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> On top of that, he's a 60-something year old man who has just had his house burned down in a riot, killed a Phoenix Guard, and gone through his very first teleport, so he's not exactly at the top of his game.
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> Majikjon
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>> On 08/28/2023 1:46 PM PDT corey+scratchfactory.com via Dragaera <dragaera at lists.dragaera.info> wrote:
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>> Something in Tsalmoth has me wondering about one of my favourite moments in Phoenix.
>>
>> In Phoenix, Vlad brings Noish-pa to Castle Black and Teldra greets him in a way that makes it seem like they have never met before. But in Tsalmoth, we are told that they met during Vlad and Cawti?s wedding procession and in fact hit it off famously.
>>
>> Thoughts? Is Teldra?s greeting in Phoenix just excessive formality (not that Teldra would ever be anything but ?exactly correct formal?)? Is there some secret misalignment here around Vlad?s disturbed memories? Is there any reason Vlad might be lying about either of these episodes?
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>> Anyway I?m curious.
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>> Corey
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> The encounter in /Phoenix/ is vague enough for there to be some wiggle-room, I'd say.
>
> Teldra does not need to be introduced to Noish-Pa, so she knows who he is when he arrives. So it's still plausible she recognizes him from their earlier meeting. Her greeting does indicate that Noish-Pa has never visited Castle Black previously, but that does not necessarily imply that she hadn't ever met him.
>
> Noish-Pa's reaction to her greeting does seem like he doesn't recognize Teldra... But that could be just that he doesn't immediately reconcile this gracious host in front of him in the courtyard at Castle Black with that one Dragaeran woman he met briefly, once, and years earlier in a very different context at his grandson's wedding--where he'd maybe had a bit more to drink than he normally would have?
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> On top of that, he's a 60-something year old man who has just had his house burned down in a riot, killed a Phoenix Guard, and gone through his very first teleport, so he's not exactly at the top of his game.
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> Majikjon
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> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 14:48:13 -0700
> From: "Scott Schultz" <scott at cjhunter.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Dragaera] Teldra meeting Noish-pa?
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> Unreliable narrator is unreliable. ;-)
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> The real reason is almost certainly that Steve simply forgot that detail, but if we're going to apply "head canon" to the problem, I would attribute it to Lady Teldra greeting Noish-Pa in a formal capacity as a representative of Castle Black who was welcoming, if not THE Count Szurke, at least someone in the immediate orbit of Count Szurke. That is, she shows him the same formal courtesy she would show any spouse/sibling/parent of any Imperial aristocrat. Whereas, at the wedding, she was simply a guest enjoying the company of a fellow guest.
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> Subject: [Dragaera] Teldra meeting Noish-pa?
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> Something in Tsalmoth has me wondering about one of my favourite moments in Phoenix.
>
> In Phoenix, Vlad brings Noish-pa to Castle Black and Teldra greets him in a way that makes it seem like they have never met before. But in Tsalmoth, we are told that they met during Vlad and Cawti?s wedding procession and in fact hit it off famously.
>
> Thoughts? Is Teldra?s greeting in Phoenix just excessive formality (not that Teldra would ever be anything but ?exactly correct formal?)? Is there some secret misalignment here around Vlad?s disturbed memories? Is there any reason Vlad might be lying about either of these episodes?
>
> Anyway I?m curious.
>
> Corey
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> From: Howard Brazee <howardbrazee at mac.com>
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>> On Aug 28, 2023, at 3:40 PM, JON LINCICUM via Dragaera <dragaera at lists.dragaera.info> wrote:
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>> On top of that, he's a 60-something year old man who has just had his house burned down in a riot, killed a Phoenix Guard, and gone through his very first teleport, so he's not exactly at the top of his game.
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> I?m not sure who the guy I played golf with last week is when I meet him again.
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