[Dragaera] Iorich ***SPOILERS****

[Howard Brazee]

Yep.

On 1/13/2010 11:06 AM, Maximilian Wilson wrote:


> Did you mean to send this to the list?
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> -Max
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> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Howard Brazee<howard at brazee.net>  wrote:
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>> On 1/13/2010 10:53 AM, Maximilian Wilson wrote:
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>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Alexx Kay<alexx at panix.com>    wrote:
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>>>>> Let me put it this way - what's the Vlad-gets-a-dull-shine scenario
>>>>> supposed to look like?  Sethra and Co. meekly accept it and don't take
>>>>> out
>>>>> the Jhereg council and everyone with any connection to it?
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>>>> Actually, that *is* more-or-less what I would expect.  Vlad created this
>>>> situation himself, with forethought.  "If there were any justice, I'd be
>>>> dead."
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>>>> Sethra and Vlad both know that the Jhereg *have* to act in the way they
>>>> are acting.  This is made clear as far back as _Jhereg_ -- the Council is
>>>> willing to absorb any amount of incidental losses, but cannot allow
>>>> themselves to ever lose *respect*.  Vlad made them lose face.  If they
>>>> don't kill him for it, Morganti, everyone else gets a little more uppity,
>>>> and the structure of the House eventually falls apart.  (I don't
>>>> necessarily agree with this principle, but it is clear the the Council,
>>>> and Vlad himself, *do*.)
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>>> Vlad says he has an idea to maybe make things right. What happens if
>>> they kill Vlad, Morganti, in a sufficiently public way to leave no
>>> doubt that he was killed Morganti... and then Vlad turns up alive
>>> again anyway because of Lady Teldra? Does the Council still lose face?
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>>> "Sure, go ahead and threaten the House representative, if you think
>>> you're tough enough to survive a Morganti blade to the heart."
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>>> Obviously it depends on other factors too, like whether the Council
>>> head (the Demon) has an incentive to make peace (the Empress is
>>> leaning on him?), but this might give him a plausible way out.
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>>> -Max
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>> I think it loses face in this case.     But there are other ways to save
>> face - and forces more powerful than the Empress.
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>> One way to save face is to end up needing Vlad bad enough for the Demon to
>> retroactively put Vlad on his secret council. "He was working for us all the
>> time, and we made sure he survived while appearing to be our enemy".
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