[Dragaera] So, what did really happen at the end of Chapter 15 of Hawk?

[mtiller at ntlworld.com]

Andreas,

I love your tagline quote:

"economics is a pseudoscience; the astrology of our time" Kim Stanley Robinson

My favourite line on that is:

"Economists have correctly predicted 10 out of the last 3 recessions"

Mark

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From: Dragaera <dragaera-bounces at lists.dragaera.info> On Behalf Of frieda2133--- via Dragaera
Sent: 11 December 2025 19:30
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Subject: Re: [Dragaera] So, what did really happen at the end of Chapter 15 of Hawk?

 Like “the dam burst”. 
So why not use that?   Does Dragaera not have any dams because they don’t need them because of magic?   No one invented them.
Still like the idea that someone burst through the door and made sure Vlad didn’t remember…without erasing the actual door bursting.


    On Thursday, December 11, 2025 at 11:37:22 AM EST, Andreas Davour via Dragaera <dragaera at lists.dragaera.info> wrote:  
 
 Huh. I had not considered it to be a figure of speech, but that makes more sense than the literal interpretation.

/andreas
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On Wednesday, December 10th, 2025 at 6:13 PM, Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks, I hadn't noticed that before. I can't see a literal meaning for it. I think it's a figure of speech from Vlad's world, something like our "All hell broke loose."
>
> Jerry Friedman
>
> On Tuesday, December 9, 2025 at 11:46:41 AM MST, Andreas Davour via Dragaera <dragaera at lists.dragaera.info> wrote:
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> As I wanted to read Lyorn in chronological order, I just re-read Hawk. I remember being confused about this the last time I read it as well, but then I quickly became preoccupied by the resolution to the big caper. Now, it stuck with me.
>
> So, Vlad is sitting in that room with the Council members and their sorcerers, and the suddenly the door is burst open.
>
> But, then what happens? Nobody charge in through the door, and instead they cast a sleep spell and put chains on Vlad and so on.
>
> Did I miss something there? What was it that blew open the door?
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> /andreas
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